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JK_Chan t1_j36cint wrote

Oh the IOC is corruption at it's finiest, just like FIFA and the NBA. If the confirmation came from them then yea I wouldn't trust them either. Im not here to argue about or comment on about what happened though, I don't know enough. Im just here to say that the WTA did not contradict themselves.

As you said, the WTA did not even get a video call from her let alone a meeting, I can definitely see how they can be suspicious of the confirmation they were sent.

As to why the ccp might want to silence her, the ccp tried to silence the news of COVID within China for quite a while before the global outbreak. I don't see why they would want to do that instead of getting global help to contain the virus, but yet here we are.

PS: if you don't mind, could you send me some of the sources? I understand Chinese so Chinese sources would be fine too. I'm kinda busy but would like to look a bit more into this maybe during the weekend.

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geralt_snow t1_j36c4c6 wrote

Wouldn't happen that easily in a 5v5... I fell like the 3v3 is designed to end games and not championships. There was a situation before with a weird bounce of the glass, that could have been a goal for chzech republic, if the puck bounced a little different. Randomness is a much smaller factor in 5v5 then in a 3v3, and that's why I feel it's the better option for s final...

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feeltheslipstream t1_j369wsv wrote

There's also been private meetings, not just video calls. And just not with the WTA. WTA also didn't get even a video call. The IOC has been the ones in contact, along with a couple of interviews for the media (some non Chinese).

Video calls are just the only ones we, the public, get to witness.

I think a lot of context is lost when people read the truncated/translated version of the post that started this. Reading it in Chinese, it is 90% a love letter and 10% details of the man using his power to get the girl.

The post has bad timing to be caught in the middle of the me too movement, but sexual assault/abuse is not really the point of the post.

There's no reason for anyone (or the ccp) to think it was intended as an accusation of crime. Why would there be a need to silence her?

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JK_Chan t1_j3694i9 wrote

Yes I heard nothing to indicate that she's been detained. However, she has disappeared for a period of time and the WTA isn't able to meet her. Sure the WTA ain't a big organization, but it's big enough that meeting her shouldn't be a problem, so when they have a problem with arranging a meeting right after her brief dissappearance, there's enough to indicate there might be something going on behing the scenes. I mean yes they got a video call but it was a controlled one, and as I raised before, videos are often unreliable as confirmations.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j366ngf wrote

Your argument is based on the poorly defined idea that a confirmation isn't a confirmation. Which leaves me scratching my head.

There's a difference between saying "I've received some information" and "I've received confirmation. You're saying they are the same thing. Which they are not.

If you say you received confirmation, it means you believe it confirms the information you got.

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JK_Chan t1_j366hh4 wrote

Yes I've clarified that stuff can happen after the meeting, but I could care less about that. That has nothing to do with my bar. My bar (and the WTA's bar) is for them to meet, which for one reason or another, is not possible. (Also people who got arrested after public appearances has nothing to do with this, all I listed were people who dissappeared and then reappeared in China without the required legal documents to pass through immigration. Such cases has no correlation to my bar, but were rather used to show you that they have resonable reason to suspect that there is foul play.)

All of my points here are just to tell you that the presentation of confirmation does not mean that you have to believe such confirmation. There is no contradiction by WTA. I am not commenting on the case since I have no clue what actually happened.

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feeltheslipstream t1_j365v0z wrote

>No, my bar is that if they can meet Peng Shuai without the monitoring of Chinese authorities

It isn't.

Because you've already clarified that stuff can happen after the meeting. And that's enough for it to fail your bar again.

After the meeting, you'll give me more examples of people who got arrested after public appearances. And use that to tell me it fails your bar.

Come on. You know its true.

If the meeting is in China, you'll say she's still within ccp influence. So you insist she flies out to meet you. There, you'll say ccp has a history of grabbing people from other countries. Or maybe you'll claim she has family in China.

Nothing she does will pass your bar. Let's reverse roles for fun. Let me have a turn being the troll. You come up with what you think is a bullet proof scenario and I either prove she's now your prisoner, or give you a reason why she still fails to meet the bar set.

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JK_Chan t1_j365ena wrote

No, my bar is that if they can meet Peng Shuai without the monitoring of Chinese authorities, they can resonably believe that she is safe. I have given you examples of video confirmation of safety being unrealiable, and examples of instances that are more likely to be Chinese abductions than not. Both are reasons to be suspicious. Since all attempts for them to meet her have been unsuccessful, there are reasons to remain doubtful of the confirmation video.

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Edit: as before, I am not tyring to comment on the case, but rather I'm trying to show that the presentation of confirmation to a party does not mean that they have to believe it. Therefore, there is no contradiction in the article. If the WTA produced such confirmation, what you are saying makes sense, but they were just shown confirmation produced by a third party.

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