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IIIllllIIlllIIlllIIl t1_j1zuoqz wrote

I've read similar accounts to yours about hockey. The book mentioned described very similar accounts in youth soccer.

When I was young the fields were fairly badly managed. But to their credit none of them were cordoned off with fences. You could walk/drive up, walk onto the field, and play. In the new local park there's fences blocking you and they're only open on certain days to whoever's scheduled it. Much worse is that the league that allows you to play will close the fields at the slightest drop of rain.

In the book, one coach lamented the pristine fields that were never accessible and remarked: "Are we growing kids or growing grass!?".

It's bad. And it's driven by ignorant parents with no knowledge about the game or youth development in general but have more money than sense. There's an excess of people willing to spend whatever it takes. I take a dystopian view of the whole thing and believe that eventually we will spend our way through to the other end. Meaning, I think that we'll still probably see World Cup results despite our insistence on reducing the sports to small groups of relatively rich parents.

But as a coach I always say: there's no substitute for actually playing the game. Not driving long distances, not doing drills, not spending more money. Playing the game.

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IIIllllIIlllIIlllIIl t1_j1zs4j7 wrote

What we need is for a bunch of coaches that understand that kids aren't small adults. They're kids. The leagues should reflect the appropriateness for the age of the kid. It just so happens that Americans view youth sports as miniature pro teams.

The way it works now is that counter-intuitively the more knowledgeable the coach is about the game the more likely he will get it wrong when it comes to youth. I can give a specific example. My son was invited to a 'training' academy at age 7. He basically hated it. The coaches knew a lot about soccer, but didn't understand that they were dealing with a small child. They ran a bunch of drills and wouldn't let him do the things he wanted to do as a kid. Just play the game without interference.

Kids need just a lot of play in local leagues with other kids in low-key recreational leagues up until around the age of 14, in which they could use more specific and harder drills and skills. But the siren call of all that money parents are willing to spend pushes clubs and public infrastructure to set up bigger and bigger tournaments for younger and younger kids. By the time kids hit 11 the rec leagues are picked clean of most of the skilled kids. It's way to early.

Clubs have a place. It's later in the process and it should still stay local so families don't have to travel so much.

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HockeyCoachHere t1_j1zom4i wrote

North Americans have largely decided its both dangerous and not egalitarian enough to have an open park with random kids playing with random teenagers and occasionally adults.

I think the outdoor hockey rinks at parks in Toronto are a GREAT microcosm of that.

They were traditional just a hang out for the community in the winter at the local park, but have shifted over the last 10 years to have every small slice of age groups and genders get their own little patch of the calendar and then forbid everyone else until their time. It’s become a “parent driven” activity, primarily because a handful of girls/women complained about the male dominated space and a handful of parents complained on behalf of their younger kids about a “teen dominated” space with some unfamiliar adults around.

So now, instead of a park, it’s a “facility” with strict rules and a strict schedule. Girls under 16 at 2pm, kids 6-10 from 3-4women 18+ at 4-5, kids 11-13 from 5-6 teens 13-16 from 6-8. Adults or 16+ 8-10.

That’s basically how Toronto rinks are now. Even 10 years ago it was “just a park”. The rules were “it’s Canada, don’t be a dick”. Kids played with adults and teens, everyone tries to make sure the young ones got to participate. Some people are dicks, but they got told off by others at the rink and often left.

Now they have to put up 3 signs to fit all the rules and the schedules change weekly.

It means there is no spontaneous play. You have to plan a day ahead to be there during your allotted time and your community rink may not be the best rink to go to, so you may have to drive.

It’s symbolic of the change in all sports, but rinks are EXTREMELY finite so they distill it into an easily measurable slice of culture.

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assassbaby t1_j1zoaiw wrote

i completely agree with all this but is he that bad now that he clearly cant see a defender in the way of his receivers, like he regressed that much or is the offense in general not knowing the playbook vs what he thinks is the playbook?

i mean this could be one of the biggest falls from grace when it comes to “elite” quarterbacks that won a superbowl early on then became a bust?

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satmar t1_j1zlb40 wrote

There is a healthy middle ground though.. I think the moral is to remember it’s a game BUT there’s nothing wrong with some level of competition (organized).

The key is that it can’t be every second of every day only thinking about this one thing…

idk I’m not a parent, I’m not a sports expert or psychology expert but in my opinion the extremes are never the right solution.

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