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Mile129 t1_isqbdfm wrote
Reply to The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Jerry would be proud
ephemerios t1_isqaifn wrote
Reply to comment by Maker623 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | October 17, 2022 by BernardJOrtcutt
> https://theappalachianonline.com/opinion-truth-objectivity-and-postmodernism/
Is that article a spillover from the late 2010’s 90s-style culture war remake? Stuff like:
>To solve these problems, among others, Karl Marx, began drifting away from Enlightenment principles in search of ideas to eliminate the inequalities brought on by Enlightenment principles. However, the disillusionment with the Enlightenment occurred post World War I and II, when the technological marvels produced by science led to the slaughter of millions.
Doesn’t strike me as particularly productive. Marx pretty much continued the sort of critical philosophy that Kant (perhaps the most important Enlightenment thinker….or at the very least one of the most important ones) pioneered, the post-Kantians systematized, and the German idealists and their successors critiqued sympathetically.
The critique of Enlightenment ideals and conceptions of reason we see after WWII (like, say, Critical Theory and the Frankfurt School, i.e., the eternal bogeyman of a subset of the political right) strike me as perfectly in line with the very spirit of the Enlightenment, which is always also self-critical. Also blaming the disillusionment exclusively on science strikes me as misleading. There was disillusionment with the culture that spawned out of the Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment at large.
>Consistent with postmodern doctrine is the belief that institutions, such as science and language, are oppressive institutes of control.
Who actually claims this and what is their actual argument here? And more importantly, what is the context of this argument? This is an often repeated claim that isn’t entirely wrong, but I worry that it has taken on a life on its own, i.e. separated from actual postmodernist thought.
>If both sides are right and wrong, does that not prove postmodernism’s point that truth is up to individual interpretation? Not exactly. Aristotle solved this philosophical problem in ancient Greece when he theorized that truth and ethical behavior bisect between two extremes, called the “Golden Mean.” Since both sides offer truth and falsehood, given their rejection of the other side’s perspective, then it stands to reason that the middle approach is true, since it formulates a solution based on complete information. To answer humankind’s biggest question pertaining to truth is to find the middle between Enlightenment and postmodern philosophy. To choose one over the other is to look at the world from an incomplete lens. We should strive to reach a reasonable approach toward human progress while acknowledging our personal bias and give those with dissenting beliefs a platform.
Disagree. A better solution would be to first actually understand what led to the disillusionment with Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment ideas and what those critiques of them (especially those that still conceive of themselves as continuing the Enlightenment project or at the very least as laboring in its spirit) say. Especially since this issue doesn’t really seem to be confined to the post-war era:
>Paradoxically, the crisis of the Enlightenment arose from within, and indeed from its most cherished principle. The problem is that this principle is self-reflexive. If reason must subject all beliefs to criticism, it must also subject its own tribunal to criticism. To exempt its tribunal from scrutiny would be nothing less than ‘dogmatism’, accepting beliefs on authority, which is the very opposite of reason. The criticism of reason therefore inevitably became the meta-criticism of reason. If the Enlightenment was the age of criticism, the 1790s were the age of meta-criticism. All the doubts about the authority of reason, which are so often said to be characteristic of our ‘post-modern’ age, were already apparent in late eighteenth-century Germany.
Frederick Beiser’s Hegel, p. 23
PikaPikaMoFo69 t1_isqadau wrote
Reply to comment by wythehippy in The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
I was going to ask this exact same thing.
BunnyBunnyBuns t1_isqa97o wrote
Reply to comment by wythehippy in The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
It depends on the role you have. Being an engineer is stressful! But other roles are less stressful. A role like a solutions engineer requires the technical knowledge but also the ability to easily present & talk to other people. In that role your day isn't necessarily 8 hours. Maybe you have 2 hour-long demos, an hour or two of prep and notes, maybe another hour meeting (all done by Zoom in your house) and you're done for the day. Add in the fact that nobody's up your ass with constant needs and demands like they are in admin or customer service.
You explain your software, show your customer how to enable the features they need for their use case, and then answer any follow up questions. You are a RESOURCE that everyone is thrilled to see.
AllanfromWales1 t1_isq9zfs wrote
Dreadful example of excluded middle here. To say 'science' is perfect and 'pseudoscience' is completely wrong is reductionist in the extreme. And the consequence of that reductionism is to create false dichotomies between peoples and groups, when a search for common ground would be a much more fruitful strategy for all concerned.
Gloomy-Dare-7191 t1_isq9sr5 wrote
Reply to comment by CompetitiveConstant0 in The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Second this one!! 👌👌.
SquadEasyDay t1_isq8nzk wrote
Reply to comment by ephemerios in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | October 17, 2022 by BernardJOrtcutt
Why did he did he deem it necessary for philosophy to become science?
JustaRandomOldGuy t1_isq8918 wrote
Reply to The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
I would add to that the ability to be alone. I'm divorced and my kids are grown, it was an adjustment but there's a lot to be said for alone time.
ephemerios t1_isq85kt wrote
Reply to comment by SquadEasyDay in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | October 17, 2022 by BernardJOrtcutt
What do you mean by “science” here and why would it be “just” “science of philosophy”? Particularly so since, say, someone like Hegel — well-read on and responding to ancient philosophy — deemed it necessary for philosophy to become science.
AndyDaBear t1_isq7zzf wrote
>as in the case of the increasingly clear negative personal and societal effects of, for instance, vaccine and climate change denialism.
Making the endorsement of a theory into a social virtue and its rejection into a moral crime is no part of science.
KeitaSutra t1_isq7n38 wrote
Reply to comment by undivided-assUmption in Ethics of Nuclear Energy in Times of Climate Change: Escaping the Collective Action Problem by CartesianClosedCat
The waste is so safe you could literally put it in your backyard.
verstohlen t1_isq7gd7 wrote
The Replication Crisis isn't helping either.
Ok_Skill_1195 t1_isq727y wrote
Reply to comment by NoPainMoreGain in The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Find a job that requires minimum effort that pays enough to have an easy life. I already have that
Go on....
EgilSkallagrimson t1_isq6ltx wrote
Reply to The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Nothing taught me to listen to why I hated the constant pressure to be doing things like covid lockdown. It changed how I think about everything and my reasons for working. Now i see my hobbies as far more important than my work. It has improved how I live quite a bit.
JoostvanderLeij t1_isq5evi wrote
Denialism = unscientific instead of pseudoscience. Pseudescience =
(1) it is not scientific, and
(2) its major proponents try to create the impression that it is scientific.
Without (2) it can't be pseudoscience.
Only if someone denies theory XYZ because of ABC and claims ABC is scientific while ABC is unscientific, only then Denialism = pseudoscience.
So outright denying XYZ is a science is unscientific but not pseudoscience. Denying XYZ is a science on religious grounds is unscientific, but not pseudoscience.
xl_RENEG4DE_lx t1_isq4vle wrote
Reply to The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
I got my doctorate in this
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JustRudiThings t1_isq1hfq wrote
What texts do you recommend about Putnams account of perception Post-„Threefold Cord“?
silent_xfer t1_isq16h8 wrote
Reply to The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Bertrand Russell did a better job solidifying this in his work "In Praise of Idleness" in my opinion.
A somewhat more modernized take published in Current Affairs would be "In Defense of Laziness"
Both worthy reads for people with doubts, like some of the comments this topic tends to attract....
wythehippy t1_isq14nt wrote
Reply to comment by BunnyBunnyBuns in The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Can you elaborate more on your job? I see posts like this making tech seem like a dream but never any specific examples or proof. I have no idea how to get started in it and I'm starting to think it's a joke
iisoprene t1_isq13rv wrote
Reply to The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Yup. I decided at the age of 10 that I wanted to be a chemist. Pursued that goal with pretty much all available energy and got my PhD at age 28, and then burnt out (wound up in the ER) at age 30. I'm now 33 and I haven't worked since.
Signs were there since about age 20 that being a chemist wasn't what I wanted- I wanted to know chemistry, which is completely different from being a chemist. I never gave myself room to slow down or honestly reflect of what I was aiming for, and if it aligned with what I cared about most in life. Persuing it anyway (I had to- too many loans) slowly started to break be and I began having serious mental issues starting around age 25.
The last 3 years I have been living with my grandparents and doing nothing... which is what I have so badly needed for so long. I've really gotten in touch with myself and what I want out of life, and have grown SO much as a person since. I would not have been able to do so if I still had a job and a lot of responsibilities.
The sad part is through this time... I have realized that what I want out of life I can't access (no money, nor a functional world for me to do stuff in), and even then I am kinda "done" and don't really want to do anything anymore. So it's bitter sweet in the sense that I really did figure so much stuff out, but am also just kind of passively waiting for my demise.
At least I did get to do a core set of things I wanted to get out of life, and that is not nothing.
Maker623 t1_isq12q1 wrote
Reply to comment by captain_lampshade in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | October 17, 2022 by BernardJOrtcutt
Something: *exists*
Philosophers: "hmmmm?"
Have you seen that meme, lol
killyoursins t1_isq0wxe wrote
Reply to The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
Hell yeah I'm philosophical as fuck
Hrafn2 t1_isqbh07 wrote
Reply to comment by xis_honeyPot in The benefits of doing nothing | An overactive 'life drive' endlessly seeks expansion, inevitably leads to burnout, and drains us of the energy needed to truly progress. Finding the time to do nothing is essential to reassessing who we are and who we want to be. by IAI_Admin
I hope the treatment is working for you! I have treatment resistant anxiety/depression, and ADHD. I've burnt out a number of times at work - normally short durations thankfully, but last time it landed me in the hospital. On the bright side, I got into an rTMS trial that worked really well for me - within a week I was feeling sooooo much better.
Regarding goals: I'm really trying to not be so work driven, but it is still hard. I'm a terrible people pleaser, which makes having firm work boundaries hard. I'm trying to counterbalance with some more robust "personal care" goals I guess you could say - with some of those being more around appreciating the everyday vs bigger, more distant career, house etc...goals